Comments on: Follow-Up to the Tempe GIS Data Request http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/12/22/follow-up-to-the-tempe-gis-data-request/ Geospatial Technology, Web Mapping and Spatial Services Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:41:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: yodel http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/12/22/follow-up-to-the-tempe-gis-data-request/#comment-45447 yodel Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:13:26 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=3220#comment-45447 <p>James,</p> <p>Just curious how much work it was/is to go through your conversion process? I've converted thousands of cad files to coverages then shapefiles and I still have some aml's that will do the job in a heartbeat if you need one!</p> James,

Just curious how much work it was/is to go through your conversion process? I’ve converted thousands of cad files to coverages then shapefiles and I still have some aml’s that will do the job in a heartbeat if you need one!

]]> By: Brett http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/12/22/follow-up-to-the-tempe-gis-data-request/#comment-45444 Brett Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:19:08 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=3220#comment-45444 <p>Since I actually deal in Emergency Management/Homeland Security GIS, I'm a little more intimately familiar with the homeland security exemption and the Critical Infrastructure list. I'm curious if they gave you a schools, hospitals, or nursing homes layer. Also if they gave you a Tier II EHS layer. There are more reasons than homeland security for holding back a utilities layer (and without metadata, those layers are nearly impossible to decipher anyway). The one exception would be transmission pipelines and certain parts of the electric grid; I have to go through a mess of hurdles to get those, and once I do I cannot even legally show them to my boss without him going through the same hurdles. Transmission pipelines shouldn't be a factor in the municipal water and sewer system though.</p> Since I actually deal in Emergency Management/Homeland Security GIS, I’m a little more intimately familiar with the homeland security exemption and the Critical Infrastructure list.
I’m curious if they gave you a schools, hospitals, or nursing homes layer. Also if they gave you a Tier II EHS layer.
There are more reasons than homeland security for holding back a utilities layer (and without metadata, those layers are nearly impossible to decipher anyway). The one exception would be transmission pipelines and certain parts of the electric grid; I have to go through a mess of hurdles to get those, and once I do I cannot even legally show them to my boss without him going through the same hurdles. Transmission pipelines shouldn’t be a factor in the municipal water and sewer system though.

]]> By: John http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/12/22/follow-up-to-the-tempe-gis-data-request/#comment-45405 John Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:52:59 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=3220#comment-45405 <p>At least you weren't entirely stonewalled. They gave the parcels to Google, but because you're just a local citizen, you might be a terrorist. And those local kids you're going to educate - they might just poison the water supply and plan an attack on City Hall with that sensitive data.</p> <p>Ridiculous. Public records are public, whether it's one record or thousands. Let them be free.</p> At least you weren’t entirely stonewalled. They gave the parcels to Google, but because you’re just a local citizen, you might be a terrorist. And those local kids you’re going to educate – they might just poison the water supply and plan an attack on City Hall with that sensitive data.

Ridiculous. Public records are public, whether it’s one record or thousands. Let them be free.

]]> By: Wright, David E. http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/12/22/follow-up-to-the-tempe-gis-data-request/#comment-45401 Wright, David E. Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:22:58 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=3220#comment-45401 <p>Ok, I have seen this card played a couple times and it always gets down to them using it for really a bogus purpose and it gives them a DHS excuse.</p> <p>Its easy to see your a legitimate industry expert with a very visible and vocal following so they have to see that there are many people across our industry watching/listening for there response.</p> <p>Its a shame to see such an advanced locale not jumping at the chance to be a forerunner.</p> Ok, I have seen this card played a couple times and it always gets down to them using it for really a bogus purpose and it gives them a DHS excuse.

Its easy to see your a legitimate industry expert with a very visible and vocal following so they have to see that there are many people across our industry watching/listening for there response.

Its a shame to see such an advanced locale not jumping at the chance to be a forerunner.

]]> By: James Fee http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/12/22/follow-up-to-the-tempe-gis-data-request/#comment-45376 James Fee Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:30:39 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=3220#comment-45376 <p>DGN would have been at the bottom of my list to request. It was delivered in DGN because their website said it was available in DGN. And <a href="http://www.tempe.gov/engineering/docs/GIS_faqs.pdf" rel="nofollow">I quote</a>:</p> <blockquote>The production platform we use is Bentley's MicroStation CADD with Intergraph's MGE. While there are a number of production platforms available, CADD-based platforms allow better accuracy control.</blockquote> <p>I couldn't write how much I disagree with that statement, but the Bentley love is clearly flowing there in Tempe Engineering. Though I do agree CADD-based platforms are more accurate than this dog. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fbkiYWzOraA&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fbkiYWzOraA&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object></p> DGN would have been at the bottom of my list to request. It was delivered in DGN because their website said it was available in DGN. And I quote:

The production platform we use is Bentley’s MicroStation CADD with Intergraph’s MGE. While there are a number of production platforms available, CADD-based platforms allow better accuracy control.

I couldn’t write how much I disagree with that statement, but the Bentley love is clearly flowing there in Tempe Engineering. Though I do agree CADD-based platforms are more accurate than this dog.

]]> By: Seth http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/12/22/follow-up-to-the-tempe-gis-data-request/#comment-45375 Seth Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:20:03 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=3220#comment-45375 <p>I've been following your posts on this. I am the GIS Coordinator for a local government and am curious: Do you feel the City was obligated to provide the data in the format you requested (DGN)? I ask because where I work, we do not use MicroStation/DGN, but would most likely provide data in a shapefile format. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Thanks!</p> I’ve been following your posts on this. I am the GIS Coordinator for a local government and am curious: Do you feel the City was obligated to provide the data in the format you requested (DGN)? I ask because where I work, we do not use MicroStation/DGN, but would most likely provide data in a shapefile format. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Thanks!

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