Comments on: Microsoft Whitepaper – Introduction to Spatial Coordinate Systems: Flat Maps for a Round Planet http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/ Geospatial Technology, Web Mapping and Spatial Services Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:41:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Dude http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35406 Dude Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:08:43 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35406 <p>Whoa, that was one weird URL Lichanos. You really should look into reading a few books or something...</p> Whoa, that was one weird URL Lichanos. You really should look into reading a few books or something…

]]> By: Lichanos http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35400 Lichanos Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:05:03 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35400 <p>JW:</p> <p>I don't know who you are, or how you make your living, but your response, "get back to us after you've read it," is so typical of academe that I'm guessing that's your domain.</p> <p>You assume that what you have read is the defining material on the topic. Academics have a way of defining problems so they can be answered with their favored methods. What if my question is logically prior to your methods? You also assume I have read nothing of what you regard as cannonical on the topic (otherwise, naturally, I would agree with it and form my argument accordingly) and that any discussion of it MUST refer to those texts. Not a point of view conducive to original or critical thought.</p> <p>Nevertheless, I shall review these works (again) just to freshen up my argument. Then "I'll get back to you."</p> JW:

I don’t know who you are, or how you make your living, but your response, “get back to us after you’ve read it,” is so typical of academe that I’m guessing that’s your domain.

You assume that what you have read is the defining material on the topic. Academics have a way of defining problems so they can be answered with their favored methods. What if my question is logically prior to your methods? You also assume I have read nothing of what you regard as cannonical on the topic (otherwise, naturally, I would agree with it and form my argument accordingly) and that any discussion of it MUST refer to those texts. Not a point of view conducive to original or critical thought.

Nevertheless, I shall review these works (again) just to freshen up my argument. Then “I’ll get back to you.”

]]> By: ChrisW http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35399 ChrisW Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:11:33 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35399 <p>@JW, Lichanos: The Tomlinson book seems to be out of print. FWIW I've found “GIS: A Computing Perspective” by Michael Worboys and Matt Duckham, and “Spatial Databases” by Philippe Rigaux et al, to be pretty useful in explaining this stuff in a fair degree of detail. Assuming anybody else is actually interested in reading this stuff...</p> @JW, Lichanos:
The Tomlinson book seems to be out of print. FWIW I’ve found “GIS: A Computing Perspective” by Michael Worboys and Matt Duckham, and “Spatial Databases” by Philippe Rigaux et al, to be pretty useful in explaining this stuff in a fair degree of detail. Assuming anybody else is actually interested in reading this stuff…

]]> By: JW http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35387 JW Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:36:46 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35387 <p>i don't think it is a matter of turf. It is a lack of basic understanding.</p> <p>Go find a copy of "Spatial data characteristics and handling techniques " by Roger Tomlinson and get back to us after you have read it.</p> i don’t think it is a matter of turf. It is a lack of basic understanding.

Go find a copy of “Spatial data characteristics and handling techniques ” by Roger Tomlinson and get back to us after you have read it.

]]> By: Lichanos http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35380 Lichanos Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:58:15 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35380 <p>Matt - glad you were intrigued, but do you have comments? Arguments?</p> <p>JW - yeah, I'm beyond help, I know, but argue with me anyway.</p> <p>Honestly, I'm really interested in knowing what people think about this topic. I discussed it years ago and was savaged by academics outraged that I was questioning their ...turf?</p> Matt – glad you were intrigued, but do you have comments? Arguments?

JW – yeah, I’m beyond help, I know, but argue with me anyway.

Honestly, I’m really interested in knowing what people think about this topic. I discussed it years ago and was savaged by academics outraged that I was questioning their …turf?

]]> By: Matt http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35378 Matt Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:53:35 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35378 <p>Wow...Lichanos...your post is undeniably one of the most "interesting" I've read regarding spatial data.</p> Wow…Lichanos…your post is undeniably one of the most “interesting” I’ve read regarding spatial data.

]]> By: JW http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35377 JW Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:44:43 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35377 <p>I read your URL. I don't think you can be helped.</p> I read your URL. I don’t think you can be helped.

]]> By: Lichanos http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35359 Lichanos Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:42:49 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35359 <p>Hi,</p> <p>I'm just wondering these days about what IS spatial data. I'd be interested in your comments on the page at the URL I've posted here.</p> Hi,

I’m just wondering these days about what IS spatial data. I’d be interested in your comments on the page at the URL I’ve posted here.

]]> By: TedC http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35339 TedC Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:09:40 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35339 <p>He looks like he is stoned.</p> He looks like he is stoned.

]]> By: Matt http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35329 Matt Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:56:57 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35329 <p>Thanks for clarification JW! BTW, looks like an proto-version of the BSOD on the other monitor. ;-)</p> Thanks for clarification JW! BTW, looks like an proto-version of the BSOD on the other monitor. ;-)

]]> By: JW http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35328 JW Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:28:05 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35328 <p>actually no it was a CP/M prompt that he was in the middle of ripping off.</p> actually no it was a CP/M prompt that he was in the middle of ripping off.

]]> By: Matt http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35324 Matt Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:45:57 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35324 <p>Glad to see that Microsoft is paying attention (and homage) to the basic cartographic principles that mapmakers need to employ. I personally think that this is very well written and sounds almost identical to my first cartography textbook . Now that SQL 2008 supports spatial data, it makes perfect sense to educate future developers of map products to understand the fundamentals of projections, coordinates systems, etc. -Matt</p> <p>P.S. I agree that the Bill Gates pic is creepy. Nice touch of adding the ships to the monitor though (I think the orig was ASCII MS-DOS logo?) Sad that I know that...</p> Glad to see that Microsoft is paying attention (and homage) to the basic cartographic principles that mapmakers need to employ. I personally think that this is very well written and sounds almost identical to my first cartography textbook . Now that SQL 2008 supports spatial data, it makes perfect sense to educate future developers of map products to understand the fundamentals of projections, coordinates systems, etc.
-Matt

P.S. I agree that the Bill Gates pic is creepy. Nice touch of adding the ships to the monitor though (I think the orig was ASCII MS-DOS logo?) Sad that I know that…

]]> By: JW http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/07/17/microsoft-whitepaper-introduction-to-spatial-coordinate-systems-flat-maps-for-a-round-planet/#comment-35323 JW Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:01:42 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/?p=1917#comment-35323 <p>That picture is creepy. I'd rather dine with Hannibal Lector than have to stare at that.</p> That picture is creepy. I’d rather dine with Hannibal Lector than have to stare at that.

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