Comments on: Dave Bouwman Releases the ArcGIS Server Virtual Earth Tile Server http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/ Geospatial Technology, Web Mapping and Spatial Services Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:01:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Bill http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32642 Bill Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:56:20 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32642 <p>Actually, Python isn't a problem for me either but I did just rotate out of a site that had a couple of extra justification steps to get open-source software approved. The policy included a blanket statement declaring that OSS was inherently riskier (wrt security) than commercial software. Therefore, there was extra work involved to get it approved. It was actually easier to get a commercial product by a foreign vendor approved.</p> Actually, Python isn’t a problem for me either but I did just rotate out of a site that had a couple of extra justification steps to get open-source software approved. The policy included a blanket statement declaring that OSS was inherently riskier (wrt security) than commercial software. Therefore, there was extra work involved to get it approved. It was actually easier to get a commercial product by a foreign vendor approved.

]]> By: James Fee http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32641 James Fee Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:35:26 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32641 <p>Paolo, I have not had any problem with Python with my Federal Government clients here in the U.S.</p> Paolo, I have not had any problem with Python with my Federal Government clients here in the U.S.

]]> By: Paolo http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32635 Paolo Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:51:32 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32635 <p>here the wrong think it seems to me that (public) government agencies are able to use commercial .NET and not OS Python. Luckily in Italy things are changing ;-)</p> here the wrong think it seems to me that (public) government agencies are able to use commercial .NET and not OS Python. Luckily in Italy things are changing ;-)

]]> By: Bill Thorp http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32629 Bill Thorp Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:57:13 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32629 <p>Let me kill the IronPython side-note. AFAIK, Tilecache still doesn't work with IronPython.</p> <p>http://mapwrecker.wordpress.com/2007/06/18/python-vs-ironpython-tilecache/</p> Let me kill the IronPython side-note. AFAIK, Tilecache still doesn’t work with IronPython.

http://mapwrecker.wordpress.com/2007/06/18/python-vs-ironpython-tilecache/

]]> By: Tim Maddle http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32627 Tim Maddle Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:54:24 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32627 <p>I believe Iron Python is one of the target languages in VS 2008, so maybe a python .NET deployment will become more acceptable in the future.</p> I believe Iron Python is one of the target languages in VS 2008, so maybe a python .NET deployment will become more acceptable in the future.

]]> By: Bill http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32626 Bill Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:40:23 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32626 <p>I'm not doing work where Dave is but I can attest to the same kind of issues with my customers as well. The web server has to stay "clean" or you can't deploy it.</p> <p>"Clean" is a moving target that depends upon the definition of the designated approving authority. It's a lot of fun.</p> I’m not doing work where Dave is but I can attest to the same kind of issues with my customers as well. The web server has to stay “clean” or you can’t deploy it.

“Clean” is a moving target that depends upon the definition of the designated approving authority. It’s a lot of fun.

]]> By: Dave Bouwman http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32625 Dave Bouwman Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:11:56 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32625 <p>@akhor,</p> <p>I'll check into that - had some issues doing a clean export from SVN for the drop to ArcScripts - you can get it from the assembla repository though... http://svn2.assembla.com/svn/arcdeveloper</p> <p>@Python issues Yes python is installed with Desktop & Server, but these are not agencies which run their websites on the AGS box. The web servers are dedicated - we've even had push back about dropping the ADF run time on them.</p> <p>Anyhow - the gist of it as CMH puts it - our job as consultant's is to get the job done so that it works in the target environments. In our experience that has meant Java or .NET. Since we also do a fair bit of work customizing the ArcGIS desktop, it's just easier to specialize in .NET</p> @akhor,

I’ll check into that – had some issues doing a clean export from SVN for the drop to ArcScripts – you can get it from the assembla repository though…
http://svn2.assembla.com/svn/arcdeveloper

@Python issues
Yes python is installed with Desktop & Server, but these are not agencies which run their websites on the AGS box. The web servers are dedicated – we’ve even had push back about dropping the ADF run time on them.

Anyhow – the gist of it as CMH puts it – our job as consultant’s is to get the job done so that it works in the target environments. In our experience that has meant Java or .NET. Since we also do a fair bit of work customizing the ArcGIS desktop, it’s just easier to specialize in .NET

]]> By: James Fee http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32621 James Fee Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:46:17 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32621 <p>I'm not sure what the problem is with Python is here. You can't install ArcGIS without installing Python.</p> <p>I should say that .NET devs really like pure .NET so there is some pushback from Python (though I'm not sure so much in this crowd).</p> I’m not sure what the problem is with Python is here. You can’t install ArcGIS without installing Python.

I should say that .NET devs really like pure .NET so there is some pushback from Python (though I’m not sure so much in this crowd).

]]> By: Sean Gillies http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32620 Sean Gillies Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:27:46 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32620 <p>IronPython.</p> IronPython.

]]> By: CMH http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32619 CMH Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:59:16 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32619 <p>@Christopher, Dave Bouwman</p> <p>Christopher, Dave has a very valid point. When you come at this from an ESRI stand point ie. (local and Federal Government) MS and .net are the rule. Even if you have something that works better (Tilecache) you can't use it without a huge fight. And from a contractor's perspective (Dave) your job isn't to battle with the CTO over their architecture, it's to get a job done.</p> @Christopher, Dave Bouwman

Christopher,
Dave has a very valid point. When you come at this from an ESRI stand point ie. (local and Federal Government) MS and .net are the rule. Even if you have something that works better (Tilecache) you can’t use it without a huge fight. And from a contractor’s perspective (Dave) your job isn’t to battle with the CTO over their architecture, it’s to get a job done.

]]> By: akhor http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32618 akhor Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:59:05 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32618 <p>Dave,</p> <p>It seems that the ITileProvider.cs file is missing in source code...</p> Dave,

It seems that the ITileProvider.cs file is missing in source code…

]]> By: Dave Bouwman http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32617 Dave Bouwman Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:46:13 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32617 <p>@Christopher,</p> <p>It's not that TileCache does anything "wrong" - it's awesome and does much more than my Virtual Earth tile server.</p> <p>The issue I see is that pitching a python solution to government agencies is much more difficult than simply saying - "it's .NET". We deal with clients who run very tight systems. Asking them to do the python setup is not going to happen. Maybe you are having more luck in this are than we are, but in talking with many other people, this is a common scenario. Since these are the constraints we have to work with, I think that having a .NET version should be a good thing.</p> <p>As for this drop, it was something I needed to build as proof of concept for a project, and I thought I'd share it.</p> @Christopher,

It’s not that TileCache does anything “wrong” – it’s awesome and does much more than my Virtual Earth tile server.

The issue I see is that pitching a python solution to government agencies is much more difficult than simply saying – “it’s .NET”. We deal with clients who run very tight systems. Asking them to do the python setup is not going to happen. Maybe you are having more luck in this are than we are, but in talking with many other people, this is a common scenario. Since these are the constraints we have to work with, I think that having a .NET version should be a good thing.

As for this drop, it was something I needed to build as proof of concept for a project, and I thought I’d share it.

]]> By: Matt Priour http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32615 Matt Priour Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:02:25 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32615 <p>@Christopher I don't see why your TileCache & "Tilecache.NET" can't exist side-by-side and cross polinate each other, making each other stronger & better.</p> @Christopher
I don’t see why your TileCache & “Tilecache.NET” can’t exist side-by-side and cross polinate each other, making each other stronger & better.

]]> By: Christopher Schmidt http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32614 Christopher Schmidt Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:59:21 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/04/dave-bouwman-releases-the-arcgis-server-virtual-earth-tile-server/#comment-32614 <p>I'm somewhat disappointed that Dave has continued to develop this TileCache clone. I wish I knew what TileCache did wrong that Dave feels like this is better than just writing an ArcGIS SOAP provider for TileCache...</p> <p>(And don't tell me that it's <a href="http://viswaug.wordpress.com/2008/02/03/setting-up-tilecache-on-iis/" rel="nofollow">Impossible to set up on IIS</a>, not when there's a blog post with pictures of every step of the process...)</p> I’m somewhat disappointed that Dave has continued to develop this TileCache clone. I wish I knew what TileCache did wrong that Dave feels like this is better than just writing an ArcGIS SOAP provider for TileCache…

(And don’t tell me that it’s Impossible to set up on IIS, not when there’s a blog post with pictures of every step of the process…)

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