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	<title>Comments on: ESRI Podcast &#8211; ArcGIS Server REST API</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/02/esri-podcast-arcgis-server-rest-api/#comment-32643</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an idea:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How about ESRI spend time improving the middle-tiers &lt;em&gt;THEY&#039;VE ALREADY BUILT&lt;/em&gt; instead of throwing another poorly architected layer on top of them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Please?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The WebADF is sort of brutal, and everyone knows it, ESRI Professional Services most of all.  My company has been working with it for almost 18 months now, and we&#039;ve taken more than our fair share of bruises with it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But I seriously doubt that another set of poorly documented, poorly tested APIs is going to significantly improve anything. We can roll our own JSON, thanks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I appreciate ESRI trying to make things &quot;easier&quot;, but how about doing the hard work of improving existing code rather than trying new green-fields &quot;we&#039;ll get it perfect this time&quot; stuff.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea:</p>
<p>How about ESRI spend time improving the middle-tiers <em>THEY&#8217;VE ALREADY BUILT</em> instead of throwing another poorly architected layer on top of them?</p>
<p>Please?</p>
<p>The WebADF is sort of brutal, and everyone knows it, ESRI Professional Services most of all.  My company has been working with it for almost 18 months now, and we&#8217;ve taken more than our fair share of bruises with it.</p>
<p>But I seriously doubt that another set of poorly documented, poorly tested APIs is going to significantly improve anything. We can roll our own JSON, thanks.</p>
<p>I appreciate ESRI trying to make things &#8220;easier&#8221;, but how about doing the hard work of improving existing code rather than trying new green-fields &#8220;we&#8217;ll get it perfect this time&#8221; stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Bouwman</title>
		<link>http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/02/esri-podcast-arcgis-server-rest-api/#comment-32586</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Bouwman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sounds good to me - and certainly a step in the right direction, and will be great when it comes out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And I don&#039;t want to &quot;knock&quot; this, but I would have liked to seen these services come out incrementally via the service packs. Clearly they&#039;ve had some underlying elements of this baked for a while, so why not shoot it out? From the outcry against the ADF, it&#039;s clear that someone inside knows it&#039;s a pain - why not throw  the dev community a bone rather than letting things boil over?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dave&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good to me &#8211; and certainly a step in the right direction, and will be great when it comes out.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t want to &#8220;knock&#8221; this, but I would have liked to seen these services come out incrementally via the service packs. Clearly they&#8217;ve had some underlying elements of this baked for a while, so why not shoot it out? From the outcry against the ADF, it&#8217;s clear that someone inside knows it&#8217;s a pain &#8211; why not throw  the dev community a bone rather than letting things boil over?</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: CuriousGeorge</title>
		<link>http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/02/esri-podcast-arcgis-server-rest-api/#comment-32583</link>
		<dc:creator>CuriousGeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Come on guys... give it a &quot;REST&quot; :)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First you want to know what ESRI is doing with REST, then you get a taste and you still knock it -  not cool.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Looking at the big picture, it looks to me like they are rounding out their offerings with &quot;additional&quot; API&#039;s to appease the JavaScript world while still offering the full app framework to the rest of the services.  From what I heard in both ADF and the REST podcasts, the .NET ADF will also sport an ASP.NET AJAX JavaScript library along with a Map Script control - Microsoft&#039;s new way of using Web Controls with the AJAX clients.  Sounds like the ADF team is thinking about making things easier for us.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I still want to see what ESRI discusses at the Dev Summit.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on guys&#8230; give it a &#8220;REST&#8221; <img src='http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>First you want to know what ESRI is doing with REST, then you get a taste and you still knock it &#8211;  not cool.</p>
<p>Looking at the big picture, it looks to me like they are rounding out their offerings with &#8220;additional&#8221; API&#8217;s to appease the JavaScript world while still offering the full app framework to the rest of the services.  From what I heard in both ADF and the REST podcasts, the .NET ADF will also sport an ASP.NET AJAX JavaScript library along with a Map Script control &#8211; Microsoft&#8217;s new way of using Web Controls with the AJAX clients.  Sounds like the ADF team is thinking about making things easier for us.</p>
<p>I still want to see what ESRI discusses at the Dev Summit.</p>
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		<title>By: bender</title>
		<link>http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/02/esri-podcast-arcgis-server-rest-api/#comment-32581</link>
		<dc:creator>bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 18:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yeah, cute. still sending requests from your console, huh?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, cute. still sending requests from your console, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Chance Yohman</title>
		<link>http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/02/esri-podcast-arcgis-server-rest-api/#comment-32578</link>
		<dc:creator>Chance Yohman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sensible discourse? What is that?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sensible discourse? What is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/02/esri-podcast-arcgis-server-rest-api/#comment-32575</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Damn, the buzzwords in that thing.  Why can&#039;t ESRI just talk about it rather than drop those sentences on us?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, the buzzwords in that thing.  Why can&#8217;t ESRI just talk about it rather than drop those sentences on us?</p>
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		<title>By: Chance Yohman</title>
		<link>http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/02/02/esri-podcast-arcgis-server-rest-api/#comment-32571</link>
		<dc:creator>Chance Yohman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 16:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;See if you can count the number of times &quot;http goodness&quot; is said.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See if you can count the number of times &#8220;http goodness&#8221; is said.</p>
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