Comments on: ESRI Releases ArcGIS Explorer Build 410 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/ Geospatial Technology, Web Mapping and Spatial Services Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:12:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: James Fee http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20125 James Fee Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:41:44 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20125 <p>slim: The about box is just a text box that a graphics artist creates, windows reports the version as 1.0.0.410. No matter what ESRI marketing wants you to think, this is a version 1 product.</p> <p><img src="http://zhun.pair.com/spatiall/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=840&g2_serialNumber=1"></p> slim: The about box is just a text box that a graphics artist creates, windows reports the version as 1.0.0.410. No matter what ESRI marketing wants you to think, this is a version 1 product.

]]> By: slim pickins http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20121 slim pickins Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:23:40 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20121 <p>I hope you are pulling my leg - Based on what could you possibly claim that when Help->About says ArcGIS Explorer 9.2 (Build 410) that it is not that</p> I hope you are pulling my leg – Based on what could you possibly claim that when Help->About says ArcGIS Explorer 9.2 (Build 410) that it is not that

]]> By: James Fee http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20115 James Fee Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:09:46 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20115 <p>That is incorrect, the true version of the software is 1.0.0.410. That must be a bug.</p> That is incorrect, the true version of the software is 1.0.0.410. That must be a bug.

]]> By: slim pickins http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20112 slim pickins Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:18:18 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20112 <p>Um, when you install ArcGIS Explorer the message indicates "Version 9.2.380 is installed...uninstall before installing 9.2.410.</p> Um, when you install ArcGIS Explorer the message indicates “Version 9.2.380 is installed…uninstall before installing 9.2.410.

]]> By: James Fee http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20031 James Fee Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:39:22 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20031 <p>slim:</p> <blockquote>you must be joking. ArcGIS Explorer is as ESRI says - a client for ArcGIS Server, and ArcGIS Server is completely tied to ArcGIS desktop.</blockquote> <p>One can use ArcGIS Explorer with shapfiles and rasters without the need of ArcGIS Desktop. It isn't tied to ArcGIS 9.2 any more than Google Earth is. One can run AGX without installing any piece of ESRI software.</p> <blockquote> Further the support for reading file geodatabases in ArcGIS explorer is completely tied to ArcGIS version 9.2.</blockquote> <p>While you are somewhat on target here, I'd say you'd only need 9.2 to create File Geodatabases, not actually use them with AGX. Plus you don't have to use them at all.</p> <blockquote> As for frequency of builds this did not seem to be a plus for me, but rather a minus as each client must be tested with each server version, then deployed. either way, the release schedule for server and explorer seem to be more or less identical.</blockquote> <p>That might be tied to how ESRI works internally rather than any requirement on AGX for 9.2. As I said, you can run AGX on any computer with any version of ESRI ArcGIS. You can't do that with other ArcGIS Desktop/Server products.</p> <blockquote> ESRI web site shows build 350 - jan 07, build 380 - april 07, build 410 - aug 07. For ArcGIS server there is SP1 - jan 07, SP2 - april 07, and SP3 - july 07 - not to mention the new “explorer server files for arcgis server.” bottom line is, this new release was an opportunity to take this disappointing product out for another test drive.</blockquote> <p>I can't speak to that, you might be right. Either way it seems that they are having trouble breaking out of old habits.</p> <blockquote> I installed it, checked out latest imagery and performance which is good enough, added a service and crashed it immediately.</blockquote> <p>I've not had it crash on me yet, but performance in my office is slow. But as I'm sure you can agree with, we aren't using it yet as an every day client for GIS and its probably still a ways off.</p> <blockquote> It’s still beta that’s why it doesn’t have a version or release number.</blockquote> <p>Actually it has been out of beta for almost 9 months. As for its version number, it is 1.0.0.410.</p> <blockquote>it might be good enough for ESRI to deliver to me, but not good enough for me to deliver to my customers.</blockquote> <p>That I'll agree with.</p> slim:

you must be joking. ArcGIS Explorer is as ESRI says – a client for ArcGIS Server, and ArcGIS Server is completely tied to ArcGIS desktop.

One can use ArcGIS Explorer with shapfiles and rasters without the need of ArcGIS Desktop. It isn’t tied to ArcGIS 9.2 any more than Google Earth is. One can run AGX without installing any piece of ESRI software.

Further the support for reading file geodatabases in ArcGIS explorer is completely tied to ArcGIS version 9.2.

While you are somewhat on target here, I’d say you’d only need 9.2 to create File Geodatabases, not actually use them with AGX. Plus you don’t have to use them at all.

As for frequency of builds this did not seem to be a plus for me, but rather a minus as each client must be tested with each server version, then deployed. either way, the release schedule for server and explorer seem to be more or less identical.

That might be tied to how ESRI works internally rather than any requirement on AGX for 9.2. As I said, you can run AGX on any computer with any version of ESRI ArcGIS. You can’t do that with other ArcGIS Desktop/Server products.

ESRI web site shows build 350 – jan 07, build 380 – april 07, build 410 – aug 07. For ArcGIS server there is SP1 – jan 07, SP2 – april 07, and SP3 – july 07 – not to mention the new “explorer server files for arcgis server.” bottom line is, this new release was an opportunity to take this disappointing product out for another test drive.

I can’t speak to that, you might be right. Either way it seems that they are having trouble breaking out of old habits.

I installed it, checked out latest imagery and performance which is good enough, added a service and crashed it immediately.

I’ve not had it crash on me yet, but performance in my office is slow. But as I’m sure you can agree with, we aren’t using it yet as an every day client for GIS and its probably still a ways off.

It’s still beta that’s why it doesn’t have a version or release number.

Actually it has been out of beta for almost 9 months. As for its version number, it is 1.0.0.410.

it might be good enough for ESRI to deliver to me, but not good enough for me to deliver to my customers.

That I’ll agree with.

]]> By: slim pickins http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20029 slim pickins Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:10:32 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20029 <p>james writes "ArcGIS Explorer is not tied to ArcGIS 9.2." I didnt actually write or imply that but either way - you must be joking. ArcGIS Explorer is as ESRI says - a client for ArcGIS Server, and ArcGIS Server is completely tied to ArcGIS desktop. Further the support for reading file geodatabases in ArcGIS explorer is completely tied to ArcGIS version 9.2. As for frequency of builds this did not seem to be a plus for me, but rather a minus as each client must be tested with each server version, then deployed. either way, the release schedule for server and explorer seem to be more or less identical. ESRI web site shows build 350 - jan 07, build 380 - april 07, build 410 - aug 07. For ArcGIS server there is SP1 - jan 07, SP2 - april 07, and SP3 - july 07 - not to mention the new "explorer server files for arcgis server." bottom line is, this new release was an opportunity to take this disappointing product out for another test drive. I installed it, checked out latest imagery and performance which is good enough, added a service and crashed it immediately. It's still beta that's why it doesn't have a version or release number. it might be good enough for ESRI to deliver to me, but not good enough for me to deliver to my customers.</p> james writes “ArcGIS Explorer is not tied to ArcGIS 9.2.” I didnt actually write or imply that but either way – you must be joking. ArcGIS Explorer is as ESRI says – a client for ArcGIS Server, and ArcGIS Server is completely tied to ArcGIS desktop. Further the support for reading file geodatabases in ArcGIS explorer is completely tied to ArcGIS version 9.2. As for frequency of builds this did not seem to be a plus for me, but rather a minus as each client must be tested with each server version, then deployed. either way, the release schedule for server and explorer seem to be more or less identical. ESRI web site shows build 350 – jan 07, build 380 – april 07, build 410 – aug 07. For ArcGIS server there is SP1 – jan 07, SP2 – april 07, and SP3 – july 07 – not to mention the new “explorer server files for arcgis server.” bottom line is, this new release was an opportunity to take this disappointing product out for another test drive. I installed it, checked out latest imagery and performance which is good enough, added a service and crashed it immediately. It’s still beta that’s why it doesn’t have a version or release number. it might be good enough for ESRI to deliver to me, but not good enough for me to deliver to my customers.

]]> By: James Fee http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20017 James Fee Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:27:03 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20017 <p>slim: I'm not sure what you are getting at. ArcGIS Explorer is not tied to ArcGIS 9.2. This is why you can install it with any version of ArcGIS you wish, not just 9.2.</p> <p>ESRI seems to define their releases as builds to the general public. Service Packs don't update ArcGIS 9.2 to 9.2.x, they update them to 9.2 Build 1380.</p> <p>Don't get caught in the weeds with build vs release here. Of course the AGX team needs to work in sync with ArcGIS Server as it really is a client, but the way they've gone about writing AGX means they can address problems sooner and more quickly than service pack releases. I think if you look over the AGX releases and the service packs since 9.2 you'll see AGX gets updated much quicker.</p> <p>As to the quality of those releases and your expectations, I can't address that.</p> slim: I’m not sure what you are getting at. ArcGIS Explorer is not tied to ArcGIS 9.2. This is why you can install it with any version of ArcGIS you wish, not just 9.2.

ESRI seems to define their releases as builds to the general public. Service Packs don’t update ArcGIS 9.2 to 9.2.x, they update them to 9.2 Build 1380.

Don’t get caught in the weeds with build vs release here. Of course the AGX team needs to work in sync with ArcGIS Server as it really is a client, but the way they’ve gone about writing AGX means they can address problems sooner and more quickly than service pack releases. I think if you look over the AGX releases and the service packs since 9.2 you’ll see AGX gets updated much quicker.

As to the quality of those releases and your expectations, I can’t address that.

]]> By: slim pickins http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20013 slim pickins Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:19:11 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20013 <p>Mike writes: "ArcGIS Explorer is on a different release schedule than other ESRI product lines." How can it be on a different release schedule when ESRI defines ArcGIS Explorer as "a lightweight desktop client for ArcGIS Server" the answer is this isnt a "release" its a "build." a build means nothing to a paying customer. its not a major version release, its not a minor version release, its not a patch level release - its nothing but a build. Fine for developers and beta testers but not for software that you've been selling for two years.</p> Mike writes: “ArcGIS Explorer is on a different release schedule than other ESRI product lines.” How can it be on a different release schedule when ESRI defines ArcGIS Explorer as “a lightweight desktop client for ArcGIS Server” the answer is this isnt a “release” its a “build.” a build means nothing to a paying customer. its not a major version release, its not a minor version release, its not a patch level release – its nothing but a build. Fine for developers and beta testers but not for software that you’ve been selling for two years.

]]> By: Michael http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20004 Michael Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:20:53 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20004 <p>Slim's opinions to the contrary, it isn't an "incremental build". ArcGIS Explorer is on a different release schedule than other ESRI product lines; you can expect new releases every 2-3 months approximately. Hope a new driver will help. If not, perhaps post to the ArcGIS Explorer Forum...</p> Slim’s opinions to the contrary, it isn’t an “incremental build”. ArcGIS Explorer is on a different release schedule than other ESRI product lines; you can expect new releases every 2-3 months approximately. Hope a new driver will help. If not, perhaps post to the ArcGIS Explorer Forum…

]]> By: Matt http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20003 Matt Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:10:48 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20003 <p>Thanks Michael...apparently this incremental build went over the head of my existing video driver. I suppose this means that the software will stream local datasets <em>that</em> much faster correct? ;-)</p> <p>Cheers, -Matt</p> Thanks Michael…apparently this incremental build went over the head of my existing video driver. I suppose this means that the software will stream local datasets that much faster correct? ;-)

Cheers,
-Matt

]]> By: Mike http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20002 Mike Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:44:32 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-20002 <p>Does this version of ArcGIS Explorer allow connecting to ArcWeb Services (without writing a custom task)?</p> Does this version of ArcGIS Explorer allow connecting to ArcWeb Services (without writing a custom task)?

]]> By: Michael http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19999 Michael Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:32:00 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19999 <p>Is your driver up-to-date? Perhaps you might check at http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html</p> Is your driver up-to-date? Perhaps you might check at http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html

]]> By: Matt http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19997 Matt Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:53:50 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19997 <p>Addendum to my previous post. System requirements for AGE from ESRI state 32MB video RAM, 64MB recommended. Which is what I have with my on-board ATI Radeon.</p> <p>Anyone else having problems???</p> Addendum to my previous post. System requirements for AGE from ESRI state 32MB video RAM, 64MB recommended. Which is what I have with my on-board ATI Radeon.

Anyone else having problems???

]]> By: Matt http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19995 Matt Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:28:45 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19995 <p>The only new feature I've had is to launch it twice and have it completely knock my computer out. No blue screen, just shut down the PC. Uninstalled, re-installe, same thing. Off to check the video card requirments, even though my machine is less than a year old.</p> <p>Very strange...</p> The only new feature I’ve had is to launch it twice and have it completely knock my computer out. No blue screen, just shut down the PC. Uninstalled, re-installe, same thing. Off to check the video card requirments, even though my machine is less than a year old.

Very strange…

]]> By: slim pickins http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19881 slim pickins Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:01:46 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/08/14/esri-releases-arcgis-explorer-build-410/#comment-19881 <p>9 bugs fixed, improved driving directions, and a bandwidth test -wow.</p> 9 bugs fixed, improved driving directions, and a bandwidth test -wow.

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