Friday Open Discussion
Haven’t had one of these in a couple weeks. I guess some people might have comments about ArcGIS 9.2 huh?
James Fee GIS Blog
Geospatial Technology, Web Mapping and Spatial Services
Haven’t had one of these in a couple weeks. I guess some people might have comments about ArcGIS 9.2 huh?
My one comment is that I don’t have 9.2 yet! Grr.. And that I leave freezing cold Michigan for a Florida vacation in 5 hr! Woo Hoo!
I haven’t had much time to play with 9.2 since it showed up, but it seems LESS STABLE than 9.1. It has crashed a couple times working with CAD files.
Ok, I’ve had enough fun. My agent that intercepted James’ 9.2 package will now complete the delivery.
Sean, time for Jake to step aside?
I think it’s time to give Cutler a shot. He and Walker ought to connect for about 200 yards and three TDs a game, and 21 points is all we need to beat anybody. Except Indianapolis.
oh, and Michigan is gonig kick Ohios Arse this weekend!
chaz: It is THAT cold in Michigan. No snow on the ground.
As for football.. don’t know, I am going to the woods instead.
OSU and Mich are overrated!!
KoS
All I receive from ESRI this week is a letter stating that I’ll be getting ArcGIS 9.2. How about just sending me the package??
Boys, Boys, boys, all your American football is overrated. Tune your the rabbit-ears on your TV to the CBC if you live near the Canadian border and watch some great entertaining football.
Open air CFL final in Winnipeg (aka Winterpeg), BC Lions vs the Montreal Alouettes. GO LIONS GO!
(On a GIS topic…. anyone played with the new cartographic features in 9.2? I’m stuck here at 9.0…booooooooo.)
I was wondering how complimentary tickets to the 2007 Users Conference will work this year. ESRI opened up online registration this week. The “guidelines for complimentary tickets” list ArcGIS Server as one ticket. As usual it lists ArcIMS-1 ticket, ArcSDE-1 ticket. Since I’m on maintenance with those two products I’m going to get ArcGIS Server, does that mean I’m going to get an extra ticket too? Is ESRI in THAT giving of a mood?
Does it seem lame that the “out of the box” .NET web apps pumped out by 9.2 ArcIMS and ArcGIS Server Web Manager have no decent print functionality? I do realize that this can be programmed in…but come on.
No, snow on the ground? Chad, you must be from southern Michigan.
True. 30 miles north of Detroit. Been crap for the last 3 winters here.
Hi I’m Pseudonode from the ArcInfo Workstation days… remember me? Well I’m making a comeback!
Chad: I live in a snow belt, just below the Big Mac, lots of the fun white stuff here. Im sure the slopes will be open for thanksgiving!
Hello ‘ello,
But still — ANYTHING is better than the ArcIMS 9.1 viewers. And at least programmingan extra feature into a .NET project is not nearly as cumbersome, eh?
Just lookin’ on the bright side, y’know?
Re: Cartographic Tools
I’m confused with how to use them. I have an ArcEditor and I can’t seem to create them. I’ve got to look more at the documentation I guess. The “representation” toolbar is inactive and the cartography toolbox requires ArcInfo. Weird because it sure says ArcEditor is all that is required.
Friday presence check. I’m still reading your blog
has anyone with ArcGIS 9.2 desktop added an OGC WMS service and checked whether the WMS image is included when printing?
give me a wms service to test and I’ll do it. I’ll admit I’m a little blind on the non-esri stuff.
One thing that has caught my eye is the cost of ArcGIS Server. $40k? You have got to be kidding me.
What is the benefit of paying for the Esri Developer Network(EDN)? It looks like I can download everything without being a member.
Anyone belong to it?
I’m an EDN member, I havent checked downloads lately, but I was wondering if I would be getting a 9.2 upgrade for that. My ArcView 9.2 came today, but no EDN yet…
Anyone know?
Dave, I don’t believe there are any plans to offer EDN as a download. I think I remember them telling us that bandwidth issues were too much.
I don’t believe we’ll see EDN arrive until after AGX has been released. I’ve been told that the packaging will be much smaller as DVDs will be offered. I haven’t heard anything about EDN since Brian Golden left ESRI though.
well, there hasn’t been a Manifold post in a while:
you can buy almost 200 copies of Manifold for that.
I thought that ESRI was going to upgrade their support site at 9.2? It looks exactly the same with those horrible forums.
God I hate to go over there.
Regarding EDN 9.2, ESRI’s web site says, “EDN is scheduled to be available 30–45 days after ArcGIS 9.2 begins shipping.” http://www.esri.com/software/arcgis/edn/about/whats-coming.html
I’m student writing an undergrad paper on web enabling a local health dept.’s GIS. Is the cost of ArcGIS Server a big secret or something? Can anyone verify the $40K price someone else posted?
ArcGIS Server Standard Workgroup starts at about $4k.
James,
can you be more specific about the $4K price?
1. Does this include all the ESRI extensions (spatial analyst, 3D analyst, etc.)?
2. Will it enable connection to Oracle, etc.?
3. All the ArcEditor functionality?
4. All the topology type operations like overlay, routing, etc.?
what do you mean by “starts”? Is $4K the price or isn’t it? Are there other things that get added to it?
I only ask because there are these $40K numbers thrown around by people, and I don’t think it is true. I would like to get a real sense for what is provided with $4K worth of ArcGIS Server Standard. Then, if people make these crazy $40K statements, we can point them to this thread and they’ll see everything they get.
I said starting at $4k because different prices for different folks. I’m sure a good customer could get a better price, but for most you’ll see in the $4k range for ArcGIS Server Standard Workgroup.
If you want to read what is included with ArcGIS Server Standard Workgroup, just click here.
These are GSA schedule prices.
AGS Basic Enterprise - 8K
https://www.gsaadvantage.gov/advgsa/advantage/catalog/product_detail.do?contractNumber=GS-35F-0321R&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&itemNumber=GIS1908
AGS Standard Enterprise - 16K
https://www.gsaadvantage.gov/advgsa/advantage/catalog/product_detail.do?contractNumber=GS-35F-0321R&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&itemNumber=GIS1907
AGS Advanced Enterprise - $32K
https://www.gsaadvantage.gov/advgsa/advantage/catalog/product_detail.do?contractNumber=GS-35F-0321R&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&itemNumber=GIS1900
Advanced is the version with the ArcEditor functionality. My organization isn’t on the GSA schedule, so our prices are higher. Our quote for Advanced was $40K with annual maintenance of 7.5K. Maintenance on Standard runs us 5K per year.
thanks James. Very useful information for me and everyone else. And, it puts to rest some of these wild prices that people banter about.
It also shows that ESRI prices, while expensive, are not totally out of whack. That is, if you can negotiate a little better price like you indicate, then you are in fact getting a pretty good deal that can serve a small to moderate sized organization.
Wow, it looks like the previous quote of $40K might indeed have been on the low side!
I am not sure about maintenance fees. Is it that you have to pay for the product and then pay for yearly maintenance? Is there an option to not pay for maintenance? What will that deprive me of?
mai,
Annual maintenance includes technical support and upgrades. You don’t have to pay, but then I assume you don’t get the tech support and upgrades. This comes with a “as far as I know” disclaimer.
Toodles and all,
I just checked my links and they appear to be broken because they were tied to a session.
Just go to gsaadvantage.gov and search on these product id’s one at a time:
“GIS1908″ for Basic Enterprise
“GIS1903″ for Standard Enterprise
“GIS1904″ for Advanced Enterprise
I just talked with someone with another agency in the area and he confirmed that he got the same 20K and 40K prices we did. The workgroup versions are significantly cheaper, but I assume most people reading this blog are users of or interested in the Enterprise version. If someone can confirm they are getting significantly cheaper prices, please email me at tmaddle@hotmail.com. I’m sure my organization would love to have some basis to negotiate a better price on future purchases. These prices are a big part of the issue I have with moving to AGS. How is a small organization supposed to create any level of scalability at those prices?
Tim,
even though your prices seem high, is it safe to assume that if you have 32 GIS users then the actual cost is only around $1,000 for each user?
How many users are you planning to support with your copy of AGS Enterprise?
Well that is just it, while it can get expensive, you can roll out a $4k ArcGIS Server Standard Workgroup and support 10 users very well. If you’ve got hundreds of users using ArcGIS Server Enterprise (you don’t need to purchase Advanced unless you need the geoprocessing) that cost is very low.
So you can start out low and as you get bigger, the support will be there.
Our use is for public-facing websites, so Workgroup is not an option. The agencies we colloborate are also looking to use it for public sites, so we’re all in the boat of requiring enterprise licenses. We currently use ArcIMS ArcMap services with acceptable, but not stellar performance. The idea of “upgrading” to a platform that offers worse performance or scalability does not excite me.
The breakdown for AGS Enterprise that I was quoted by my ESRI Rep is $40k/computer limit 4 cores and $10K per additional core (aka more than one quad core processor per computer). Every additional computer that has AGS Enterprise on it is considered another license. Ouch.
No wonder the open source alternatives have been taking off.